amyrat151:

4persephone:

4persephone:

somethingfangirly:

abadoom:

I JUST REALIZED SOMETHING

IN THE MUSICAL EPISODE OF SUPERNATURAL

DEAN WILL STILL BE A DEMON

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DANCING

DEMON

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Slow clap for the Buffy fandom

What can’t we face if we’re together?

What’s in this place that we can’t…

The day the BTVS and Supernatural Fandom found a set of lyrics so perfectly paired the fandom’s all but entwined in an illicit love affaire…

I think there are way more Once More with Feeling lyrics besides from those two songs that can be applied to Supernatural. Where Do We Go From Here works just fine, too. Dean and Buffy are kind of the same character. Also with out Buffy, Supernatural probably wouldn’t even exist.

queen-of-the-rising-demons:

surly-cat:

youdtearthiscanvasskinapart:

youdtearthiscanvasskinapart:

What if Crowley shouted to all the demons in all existence Dean Winchester is saved

And then somewhere in the depths of hell, deep as you can go, in the pit of no return, Lucifer whispered
Oh naw, baby brother Cas gonna be pissed as here

pissed as here

as here

And next to him in the cage, Michael whispers in horror

"Oh no. They woke the fucking Dragon."

attackofthekillermexisaurusrex:

teamcheapwill:

pop-culture-savvy-fallen-angel:

attackofthekillermexisaurusrex:

attackofthekillermexisaurusrex:

This last week or so, a lot of my meta has had a negative edge to it, which isn’t like what I generally do. I usually do try to find the light at the end of that tunnel, and you know, I stopped that for a time because I had lost faith in the way the CW was acting, it made me unsure whether or not…

Thank you so much for the spectacular tags, tulipgirl1520.

 #I LOVE YOU#REALLY I DO#BECAUSE THE POINTS YOU MAKE ARE SO ACCURATE#AND YOU MAKE THEM IN A VERY ARTICULATE NON-OFFENSIVE WAY#AND QUITE FRANKLY#I FEEL YOU HAVE ENCAPSULATED THE FANDOM’S FEELINGS#MINE ARE CERTAINLY THERE#SO#YES#EXACTLY THAT#ALL OF THAT!!!!!#SPN

I fucking love you

Omg omg I really really want them to audition for the play and it makes sense because they will need to get closer to the cast in order to find out more about the haunting!

I completely agree. Love the tags, btw.

 and I need cas to be there but I don’t think he will because this is a normal case the winchesters can solve alone but I want him to be there maybe Sam and dean audition and don’t get the role and cas comes to help and he gets it? that would be hilarious omg

I would LOVE THAT.

Were you trying to kill me with the Misha puppy dog eyes? CAUSE YOU DID AGASKSKWJSNWUD
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cuddlemonstercas:

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oh i’m sorry i didn’t catch that what did you say

I think about that whole angel/vessel physiological dynamic often and just have to make stuff up in my head to explain things that happen. For example, I wonder why another angel, like Hannah, can't just slice Cas's throat like Metatron did, take out the bad grace, then heal him and have him be human again rather than die? The thing is, the writers can literally make up anything to explain why that (or other options) won't work, but based on history, they won't bother. That's what frustrates me.

deangirl:

4persephone:

I’ll be honest, I try and stay away from the ‘science’ of Angels and Vessels and Demons all in supernatural…because making sense of it to me would require way WAY to complex a mixed bag of physics and biochemistry to have anything resmebling a coherrant nuts and bolts headcannon.  I’m sure there are others who have tackled that angle with much better constructed and much more verbose summations than I can manage…  my work in the sciences involved instruction of adolsecents and below not higher academia, so I tend to sort of shrug and attritribute the gray areas of plot convenience to a combination spiritual duct tape and bubblegum mechanics - which allows me to stick to my thoughts about thematic arcs/lit structure /symbolic analysis, etc which is what captured my heart about the show mostly anyway.  Dissecting the lovely complex characters is the ultimate ladyboner for me.  :P

You’re right, I think convenience in fiction is obvious. The same happens when people wonder why Harry Potter’s wizards couldn’t do certain things to make a better life out of magic, even in domestic situations, when they have such power!

I have no huge issues with why other angels can’t just do or not do certain things, especially since they’re part of a group that actually acts like sheeps, but I do have issues when the writers (or whatever) mix the whole Angels/Reapers thing, and why Reapers just don’t go invisible to the human eye when they’re in trouble.
There’s stuff I can understand is there because it’s useful for the story to move things fast, but when you present some ideas after years of mythology already learned, is quite upsetting, especially when you show such powerfull and horrific creatures, that then, seasons after, you dismiss with “weakness.”

crossroadscastiel:

I just had a super painful realization. At the end of season 9 Cas said he just wants to be an angel, seemingly because human emotions, that are likely heightened due to his dwindling grace, are too overwhelming for him, especially with mourning Dean’s death. Now at the beginning of season 10 it…

lurea:

minorkeepsakes:

mrs-jesus:

messier51:

mrs-jesus:

"Castiel is entering the season in a bit of a dilemma himself in that he’s in the same place: he’s dying. To survive, he’s got to get his grace…but to do that, he has to kill another angel, and he doesn’t want to do that.” Jeremy Carver quote from here

Ok, so there are several things that I don’t get about Castiel and his deteriorating grace that’s killing him problem.

  1. When he lost his grace at the hands of Metatron it didn’t kill him it turned him into a human. So…why doesn’t he remove the foreign grace if it’s messing with him?
  2. Why would he need to kill another angel to get his own grace back? Is Carver talking about Metatron?
  3. Or does he mean that Cas is considering killing some random angel and stealing his grace?

The general assumption (or at least, what Metatron heavily implied, and the characters onscreen seem to believe whether it’s true or not) is that Cas’ grace was used up by the spell used to expunge the angels from heaven. 

The grace he’s got now is some other angel’s, and obviously it doesn’t fit quite right—think about what happens if you’re given a blood transfusion but it’s not the right type of blood. Your body treats that like a foreign substance and destroys it. This seems to be what’s happening, but in reverse. The foreign blood (grace) is attacking it’s new host. 

Lucky for Cas, that bit of grace he’s stolen is also a source of magic, with which he can keep healing himself. Unlike his original grace though, when he uses it, it gets used up in the process. So the more he has to heal himself, or heal others (Gadreel in 9.23) the less grace he has left to protect himself against that foreign grace. 

He doesn’t need to kill another angel to get his own grace back, just to get any grace. In particular, the grace of the angel he kills. If he replenishes what he’s got, he ends up with enough to stay alive. So, option 3 is what’s being implied. 

(Some of this is slightly extrapolated but JC’s definitely implying #3!)

Thank you, AJ. I thought that Castiel’s own grace had been used up by Metatron in the heaven closing spell, but I was confused by Carver’s wording. This definitely helps. I guess I still don’t get though why he doesn’t just remove the grace rather than attempting to find new grace. Unless maybe that dilemma (kill an angel or become human by expelling the foreign grace) is a plot point for Castiel. It’s like an option that’s not being discussed.

Yup. I’m also confused about why he can’t rip the grace right out and become a human… although I thought I read a spoiler in an interview somewhere (I think it was with Carver) about how Cas would again be faced with the decision of turning human, but I might have imagined that. I think they might just be leading up to Cas doing this (choosing to be human), but for dramatic purposes it could take a while for him to figure out how to do it. Like maybe ripping out grace that didn’t initially belong to you is more complicated?

There could also be some immediate temptation to recharge his grace in order to help/stop demon!Dean at some point. It could really press him into to showing his true colors wrt if he believes Dean can still be saved.

Remember in season 5, Cas was also losing his grace—specifically because he was ‘cut off’ from Heaven.  The more grace he lost, the more human he became—until he was sleeping in the Impala at the end. It would make a lot of sense if that is the situation that ALL the angels are in now—cut off by Metatron’s walls from being able to replenish their grace.  So even if Cas steals grace, it’s still a limited amount and dwindles as it’s used.  

I don’t think Cas will resort to stealing grace again….  so the writers could have everyone finally kill Metatron, and/or take down Heaven’s wall…..which might magically restore Cas’s grace.  As in, his grace is part of the wall, so no more wall, nothing tying up Cas’s grace.  

Or maybe Cas could rip out or use up the foreign grace, which according to season 5, should leave him human or human-like.  

Or the writers might just pull a ‘chuck’ and have God magically heal him.  

I wonder… could an ARCHANGEL theoretically know how to resolve the issue as well? They were the SheppArds of the Sheppards so to speak…may be they had more the field medic level training in healing….

4persephone:

somethingfangirly:

abadoom:

I JUST REALIZED SOMETHING

IN THE MUSICAL EPISODE OF SUPERNATURAL

DEAN WILL STILL BE A DEMON

A

DANCING

DEMON

\

image

(x)

Slow clap for the Buffy fandom

What can’t we face if we’re together?

What’s in this place that we can’t…

The day the BTVS and Supernatural Fandom found a set of lyrics so perfectly paired the fandom’s all but entwined in an illicit love affaire…

I think about that whole angel/vessel physiological dynamic often and just have to make stuff up in my head to explain things that happen. For example, I wonder why another angel, like Hannah, can't just slice Cas's throat like Metatron did, take out the bad grace, then heal him and have him be human again rather than die? The thing is, the writers can literally make up anything to explain why that (or other options) won't work, but based on history, they won't bother. That's what frustrates me.

I’ll be honest, I try and stay away from the ‘science’ of Angels and Vessels and Demons all in supernatural…because making sense of it to me would require way WAY to complex a mixed bag of physics and biochemistry to have anything resmebling a coherrant nuts and bolts headcannon.  I’m sure there are others who have tackled that angle with much better constructed and much more verbose summations than I can manage…  my work in the sciences involved instruction of adolsecents and below not higher academia, so I tend to sort of shrug and attritribute the gray areas of plot convenience to a combination spiritual duct tape and bubblegum mechanics - which allows me to stick to my thoughts about thematic arcs/lit structure /symbolic analysis, etc which is what captured my heart about the show mostly anyway.  Dissecting the lovely complex characters is the ultimate ladyboner for me.  :P

lurea:

minorkeepsakes:

mrs-jesus:

messier51:

mrs-jesus:

"Castiel is entering the season in a bit of a dilemma himself in that he’s in the same place: he’s dying. To survive, he’s got to get his grace…but to do that, he has to kill another angel, and he doesn’t want to do that.” Jeremy Carver quote from here

Ok, so there are several things that I don’t get about Castiel and his deteriorating grace that’s killing him problem.

  1. When he lost his grace at the hands of Metatron it didn’t kill him it turned him into a human. So…why doesn’t he remove the foreign grace if it’s messing with him?
  2. Why would he need to kill another angel to get his own grace back? Is Carver talking about Metatron?
  3. Or does he mean that Cas is considering killing some random angel and stealing his grace?

The general assumption (or at least, what Metatron heavily implied, and the characters onscreen seem to believe whether it’s true or not) is that Cas’ grace was used up by the spell used to expunge the angels from heaven. 

The grace he’s got now is some other angel’s, and obviously it doesn’t fit quite right—think about what happens if you’re given a blood transfusion but it’s not the right type of blood. Your body treats that like a foreign substance and destroys it. This seems to be what’s happening, but in reverse. The foreign blood (grace) is attacking it’s new host. 

Lucky for Cas, that bit of grace he’s stolen is also a source of magic, with which he can keep healing himself. Unlike his original grace though, when he uses it, it gets used up in the process. So the more he has to heal himself, or heal others (Gadreel in 9.23) the less grace he has left to protect himself against that foreign grace. 

He doesn’t need to kill another angel to get his own grace back, just to get any grace. In particular, the grace of the angel he kills. If he replenishes what he’s got, he ends up with enough to stay alive. So, option 3 is what’s being implied. 

(Some of this is slightly extrapolated but JC’s definitely implying #3!)

Thank you, AJ. I thought that Castiel’s own grace had been used up by Metatron in the heaven closing spell, but I was confused by Carver’s wording. This definitely helps. I guess I still don’t get though why he doesn’t just remove the grace rather than attempting to find new grace. Unless maybe that dilemma (kill an angel or become human by expelling the foreign grace) is a plot point for Castiel. It’s like an option that’s not being discussed.

Yup. I’m also confused about why he can’t rip the grace right out and become a human… although I thought I read a spoiler in an interview somewhere (I think it was with Carver) about how Cas would again be faced with the decision of turning human, but I might have imagined that. I think they might just be leading up to Cas doing this (choosing to be human), but for dramatic purposes it could take a while for him to figure out how to do it. Like maybe ripping out grace that didn’t initially belong to you is more complicated?

There could also be some immediate temptation to recharge his grace in order to help/stop demon!Dean at some point. It could really press him into to showing his true colors wrt if he believes Dean can still be saved.

Remember in season 5, Cas was also losing his grace—specifically because he was ‘cut off’ from Heaven.  The more grace he lost, the more human he became—until he was sleeping in the Impala at the end. It would make a lot of sense if that is the situation that ALL the angels are in now—cut off by Metatron’s walls from being able to replenish their grace.  So even if Cas steals grace, it’s still a limited amount and dwindles as it’s used.  

I don’t think Cas will resort to stealing grace again….  so the writers could have everyone finally kill Metatron, and/or take down Heaven’s wall…..which might magically restore Cas’s grace.  As in, his grace is part of the wall, so no more wall, nothing tying up Cas’s grace.  

Or maybe Cas could rip out or use up the foreign grace, which according to season 5, should leave him human or human-like.  

Or the writers might just pull a ‘chuck’ and have God magically heal him.